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The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) PDF Print E-mail
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Written by De Rochefort   
Wednesday, 12 October 2005
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(special thanks to Lord Greyholt and his humble Scribe)

Welcome to the keep of the Knightly Order made by those Knights who can not suffer the obsecne actions of the Grail Pilgrims going around and digging up the body of the Grail knights.  

It is an order of knights and scholars dedicated to the protection of dead Grail Knights (may their bones rest forever at peace) and the dignified disposition of their earthly remains.

The Order dedicated to either stamping out these scruffian 'Battle Pilgrims' or training and compeling them to comport themselves in a manner worthy of those knights they claim to revere. To that end the Order's Knights make it their habit to confiscate (and bury) all actual remains these unworthies might posess and to provide them with dignified and tasteful cenotaphs to carry with them in lieu of the abominable constructs they might make if left to their own devices.

The Order has as first purpose to avoid the Lord of Bretonnia in encouraging the actions of those fouls. Then the Order suggests a variety of alternate Grail Reliquae to use instead of  the eretic one avaible now.

Tertius the Scribe:

"One purpose of this order clearly needs to be to invent alternative background and explanation for battle pilgrims.

Lord Greyholt's army will use the simplest possible explanation. Which is that his initial reaction to the appearance in Bretonnia of these 'Grail Pilgrims' was an infuriated:

"THEY DO WHAT!?!?!!

And, then he proceeded to get louder and angrier from there. He calmed down eventually (the next day) and issued certain standing orders.

1. Grail Pilgrims will be apprehended upon entering his domains.

2. They will be taken to the presence of a living Grail Knight.

3. They will be admonished as to the errors of their ways, they will receive instruction regarding how they must atone for their sins and misdeeds, they will receive assistance in doing so.

3a. The Grail Knight will observe this process and say things like, "So let it be." as often as required to ensure their cooperation.

4. Those that accept will have their clothes removed and burned, they will be washed, they will be issued clean raiment, their armour and weapons will be salvaged/cleaned/patched, they will then carry their reliquary to the nearest Grail Chapel where they will leave it, they will spend a week of nights praying, they will then enter the Grail Chapel where they will receive a newly (and solemnly) constructed icon which will be designed to honour (with dignity) the memory of whatever particular Grail Knight they might have had the remains of.

4a. Any actual remains will have been properly interred during the intervening week.

5. They will then be sent forth carrying their new icon to battle the enemies of Bretonnia, to revere Grail Knights from afar, to defend the corpse of any fallen Grail Knight to the last, to keep it from being defiled or touched until a Grail Damsel, or a Grail Knight, takes charge and sees to its disposition.

5a. If they have been particularly worthy they might be allowed to escort it back to the nearest Grail Chapel.

6. Some of these pilgrims will refuse to accept. They will not be suffered to live.

Bretonnian Lords answer only to The Lady, and the King, but are otherwise autonomous in their own right. Where these Grail Pilgrims are concerned Lord Greyholt is going to act like it."

"A reliquary is supposed to be a box which contains bones (e.g. relics). 

Three guys propping up a skelton is ghastly, it just is. (and it is not a reliquary...)

I think we all object to the scrawny, ill-fed, badly used, gap-toothed, guant, decrepit, diseased looking peasantry of which these pilgrims are the nadir. (If that is what one's peasantry looks like one is doing a very bad job managing one's fief.) The pilgrims are where we draw the line.

They have their shields backwards. (...and there is not one word in the army book explaining why.)"

Sir Artegall: "The fluff and storyline behind the battle pilgrims is just silly, and I refuse to use the unit as them. The background behind this unit is so terribly thought out. It is inconsistent, defies belief, and is just plain silly.It is also a shame, because such a unit would be a valuable tactical addition to a Bretonnian army, with its stubborn capabilities and hatred. However, I refuse to use one until I can find a way to fit them into my army. Which will certainlynot be as fanatics carrying a dead Knight. "

Baron Godefroy de Parravon: "Do they have to be carrying a dead knight? Why can't you just alter them slighly, and still keep the role of fanatics. They could be carrying a large and sacred icon of the Lady or even just a large banner. An option would be to make these guys into a group of warrior monks of some sort. This is not radically different from the Reliquae idea, but at least these guys wouldn't be fanatics but monks instead."

Robert de Giselles:
"My 'battle pilgrims', if and when I get hold of some, will almost certainly be the monks of Ã?lfinfort Priory carrying some form of holy relic in a reverent and dignified manner - not the disinterred skeleton of a Grail Knight!"

Sir Boudwin De Brienne: "There will be no dragging around with the remains of grail knights in my barony. I allow pelgrims to worship the remains, but they have to be kept in the grail chapel. In my oppinion no living knight with the Grail vow would allow such a dark habbit as disturbing a grave. The pilgims are allowed to make a statue of a grail knight or the lady, carrying the gail, and carry this around in a holy proccession, chanting and expressing their devotion."

Lady Tiranth: "I agree...the whole idea behind the Grail Pilgrims is horrid. I do not tolerate their presence in my lands."

The tradition

Image The Grail Reliquae has been present in the Bretonnian army since the 3rd edition.  It was represented as a small portable altar carried onto the battlefield and guarded by one unit of religious fanatics. The War Altar contained or incorporated holy relics. These relics take the form of bits of revered Saint's body, ritual objects, idols, holy texts and so on. The presence of the war altar on the battlefield conferred psychological advantages to the army and raised the confidence of the troops.  



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The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 08:44
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Very Interesting, I enjoyed the article, and I too dislike the Grail Pilgrims as they are as stated too comical to seem appropriate in a Bretonnian Army. They seem much more in keeping with, say, the Vampire Counts.

I like the ideas put forth in the article, I suppose it was a series of posts?

Gueron.
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 11:27
I was thinking of making some crazy mix of pilgrims and men-at-arms and such because well, I don't know if it'll work, but technically when the pilgrims draft more pilgrims, they may draft men-at-arms and other like men.... maybe I will make a rabble with some having bows and stuff!
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 19:40
I don't really understand how you can worship a group of knights when you're already worshipping a particular lady. Anyway, I'd still use them, mainly as a bunch of assorted crazies for the Crusading army I'm planning. Got the idea from the slightly innacurrate Kingdom of heaven, when you the guy preaching that 'Killing an infidel is not murder, it is the path to heaven'.
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 21:15
Gueron wrote:
I like the ideas put forth in the article, I suppose it was a series of posts?


Yes, it was born as a collection of posts in the old Earl Cafael's board when the 6th ed model came out.
It just collected the disappointment of veterna players in front of the opportunity of such cool new unit whic is the grail Reliquary.
We enjoy the idea of the unit, but not the model.
A reliquary is something serious and religious. It can be something extremely beatiful and Bretonnian.
But the actual GW model is only a group of peasant making offense to the body of a Grail Knight.

Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 21:48
I too took an instant dislike, verging upon hatred, of the "Grail Reliquae"
I bought one, used the mortal remains to convert a Wight Lord and the rest went into the parts box.
I'm currently making a reliquae based upon a Carroccio or war altar like the one below
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 22:40
That's cool although the cross... being catholic religon and such.... should be a Grail.

Unless we Bretonnians use a cross.... do we? Meh, I need some convertable items.... I shall be back with some! Maybe I can get my brother to buy more empire miltia and I can steal the bows or crossbows or w/e they come with.

Hm... battle pilgrims with bows.... good idea?
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 08 2006 23:24
Not my model, I must say! But what I'm basing it on!
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 09 2006 03:01
I know I was just asking general questions!
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 09 2006 06:53
I suppose I could try to excuse the peasants on the fact that they don't know any better, but I won't. They supposedly follow the grail knight "to bask in his glory" but they also apparently respond to his instructions.

Therefore, it's the responsibility of the Knight, should they choose it, to instruct those unlearned peasants in the appropriate behavior, though that is unlikely to save the grail knight, should he go down in sight of the peasants, from being torn limb from limb by the same over-reaching zealot peasants.

While I choose not to use the Grail Reliquae, as illustrated by the GW model, I have to state that it is, unfortunately, historically accurate. That very same issue was apparently addressed by The (Roman?) Catholic Church at the Council of Trent in response to Ninety-Five Theses of Martin Luther.

Still, there is no reason that we can't have our own Conuncil of Trent (Conseil de _____(¿Greyholt?))
Re:The Knights who say No! (Selfbuilt Reliquae) Apr 09 2006 08:30
I have come up with a solution that I like and may use until I get to make some extensive conversions for my original idea. I may even just expand on what I have come up with. I have a GW wagon that is being pulled by a horse and surrounded with Grail pilgrims from the box set. The wagon has a ornate coffin on it. The lid of the coffin has a armored knight craved into it. This is holding the Grail Knight. The pilgrims, fanatic and all ,as they are, are escorting the wagon to its final and proper resting place and woe to he who tries to hinder the way or desicrate the knight, for they will sell their lifes to stop that from happening. This is where their hatred and stubborness comes from. I also include a model of a kneeling knight as the Grail Knight is going by, paying homage to a fallen hero.
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